Taking into account that a RR could be described as a car for touring, what would be an acceptable WLTP range?

I’m going to suggest 600+. Very subjective because all of my long trips could then be done without the need to find a public charger. As is the case with my current FFRR, there and back without needing to refuel. Not that that’s in itself a problem with petrol.

I've wondered this too, and agree that I'd like to see that sort of range. But I suspect it will be closer to 350 miles, given the weight of the car and the hints we have with the battery range for the PHEV. 2024 Range Rover P550e AB

Hi, they're likely to stick to the 300 mile ceiling because the big tank in a fatty is really there to maintain the 300 miles for the petrol versions, as is the industry standard.

23 gallons of fuel is a lot to haul around, 75kg in fact, especially townies or short trippers, in a fossil fueled car you can choose to only carry 50 miles worth of fuel around to cut excess weight, i.e 50kg weight saved.

However, in an EV you can't do that, regardless of charge you have left, you need to haul around the entire battery pack and that's a lot of excess weight and it's weight that's the killer.

I doubt they'll ever fit a battery big enough to give 600 miles range it simply not going to fit within the physical design parameters of a car, and even if they did, you can imagine how much that would weigh and cost, it's down to the law of diminishing returns, the larger the power pack the more power your wasting actually transporting the pack and not the vehicle and the longer it's going to take to charge it.

So when your dawdling around town, you may have 600 miles range but you are hauling an extra tonne for the convenience and that's going to eat tyres, brakes and other components much faster. Fuji White 2012 4.4 TDV8 Westmiinster

Sadly I think you’re right. And that 350 miles could drop to as low as 210 miles in winter on a motorway. That wouldn’t even get me to my destination on some trips, never mind a return journey. Bloody ridiculous for this type of car which is probably going to cost well north of £150,000.

i should imagine you could get a decent range if you pack some large batteries in and if you take out the ICE, diffs, props,transfer box and replace with an electric motor on each wheel.. ... - .- -.




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Again it's weight.

Knowing it's all been handled by electrickery seems like cheating to me.

There's a certain mechanical satifaction in grabbing levers and engaging gears and drives as in your average series 2.

Clunk, Wirrr, Clunk etc. versus Oh dear, finger prints on my lovely dash panel. It's just not Range Rover is it ?




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Within five years batteries will shrink, ranges increase significantly.

FFRR biggest issue is the shape , height & amount of drag. Nonetheless far more room for more of the smaller batteries.

According to my dealer the batteries drop out of the bottom in a fairly simple operation when they need changing or even updating…. Or just for stealing  Filters are in fact so good that in certain circumstances, when the ambient air is already polluted, a diesel car will tend to extract more particles from the air than it emits. Emissions Analytics worked with........etc etc

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That's great news if the PHEV batteries can be replaced in future. I didn't know that.

The electrical/battery performance of my 2024 P550e is much better than the 2023 P440e. It stays in battery mode a lot longer, its a lot quicker on accelerating under EV mode and the range seems better. I have not visited the petrol station yet.

Did a 57mile plus 57 mile return journey 4 up at the weekend.

Outbound:
Duration 1hr 8mins
Av Speed 52mph
Distance 57.3 miles
EV distance 46.2 miles
Efficiency 138.6mpg.

Return:
1hr 8 mins
Av speed 52mph
Distance 57.6 miles
EV distance 9.4 miles
Efficiency 30mpg.

So the true EV range for 115 mile journey in this case was 55.6 miles and i guess this makes the average mile per gallon for 115 miles being 84 mpg* (man maths I know).

(*Assuming you have no access to a charger. If there was a charging point at the destination it would have been much better, similarly if the journey was longer the mpg would have been further compromised).

During the week my daily commute is all EV so the reading is 250+mpg which doesn't really mean anything as no petrol is being consumed.

So in my case PHEV gives me good mpg, access to 500+hp performance and currently very low benefit in kind.

I wonder what the cost to swap the PHEV battery will be in 5 or 10 years time.

Or ignoring the man maths, the mpg was about 27 on the way out and 25 on the return!

I've always kept a little spreadsheet to record fill ups, not because I'm bothered about the £, just because I'm interested. The best way of measuring it is a pence per mile, as mpg on hybrids is a nonsense as is ignoring the cost of charging. As you're charging regularly, it will be a good number on top of the BIK saving.

Do you know if it includes off throttle 'coasting' when the engine shuts off in the EV distance travelled? Porsche do and call it 'zero emission distance', which is true but does inflate the number as you'd get that with a petrol engine when the fuel cuts off throttle, or some do coast. I assume it doesn't, otherwise your EV distance would be higher and the actual MPG a lot lower.

As a comparison, the non man maths actual mpg of my Panamera on decent runs, which is backed up by journeys when the battery is flat is 35-37. I've averaged 16.5p per mile (on full fat petrol) over 14k miles compared to 23.5p in the SDV8 and the second benefit is I'm claiming 26p per miles now and it would have been 20p in the FFRR so I'm making a profit rather than losing money. No BIK difference as it's my own car. MY23 Panamera E-Hybrid
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I wouldnt touch an electric RR , never.

Agreed!

Is that just electric RR or any electric car?