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Siftah wrote:
All interesting points regarding hydrogen. I've certainly seen a few people touting hydrogen as being a better alternative to EV's but haven't yet come across anything that really seems to definitely back it up though. ...


I did a very quick "Google" and found a few hydrogen cars you can buy in the UK, e.g. https://www.hyundai.co.uk/new-cars/nexo

Their website puts the case for hydrogen to some extent and worth a browse. Although about 2/3 of the way down is a map showing just how few refueling stations there are in the UK. Big Cry 2010 Range Rover TDV8 Baltic Blue Autobiography (2011 MY) - "Big Blue"
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supershuttle wrote:
I can see the debate has moved on a bit and I have to say I had lost interest but as a Tory myself I realise it is fashionable to blame us for everything - one of the previous posts blames the Tories for diesel, maybe worth reading this -https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41985715


I was actually going back a bit further to be honest, to 1990 under Thatcher when the TCI was published and caused the first shift towards Diesel.

Thatcher did some very positive things for the environment and even this was done with good intentions, but clearly, this didn't turn out so well.

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Bl4ckD0g wrote:
Yeah I was thinking that. I thought the diesel revival in the UK was much later under labour. I arrived in the Uk in 1996 and remember distinctly many of my friends making fun of my “tractor”. I used to do about 20K miles and it made sense for me at the time. Never understood this fascination with diesel for the majority of low mileage drivers.


There's an article here which goes into some detail about it, it was during the 90's when the VAT dropped on Diesel and the conversion from Leaded to Unleaded was happening that Diesels first started to get popular.

From a consumer standpoint you were getting ~50mpg from a diesel and paying less per litre, whereas a typical petrol car was probably still averaging 30mpg at the time.

https://cleanair.london/sources/blame-magg...sel-fumes/

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Heres a good reason for keeping petrol & diesel cars. And I know cobalt is used in mobile phones but a car battery requires approx 1000 times more than a mobile phone battery.

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The oil and gas industry is highly regulated and doesn’t employ slave or child labour in the fuel chain. Unlike battery production as highlighted by Sky News. The environmental destruction is also disgusting. 2011 4.4 TDV8 Vogue SE Buckingham Blue with Ivory interior and clear glass
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There are no ‘free ride’ green energy’s when used on mass, there is always a cost be it human or environmentally, just no getting away from it. Most green policy’s are kicking the can down the road an making it someone else’s problem, either by country or time.

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DrRob wrote:
The oil and gas industry is highly regulated and doesn’t employ slave or child labour in the fuel chain. Unlike battery production as highlighted by Sky News. The environmental destruction is also disgusting.

You may be interested to learn that most of the child labour / human rights /. destruction centres around Cobalt mining. Where does most of it get used? in the oil and gas industry to make low sulphur fuels......... BMW i3 Electric Car (170 bhp mobility scooter)
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PaulTyrer wrote:
Heres a good reason for keeping petrol & diesel cars. And I know cobalt is used in mobile phones but a car battery requires approx 1000 times more than a mobile phone battery.



Not it is not.

Besides the points already raised regarding the use in the petrochemical industries which totally nullifies your point anyway, it is a good reason to put sanctions on such countries that allow this, and companies who don't follow up on their obligations with regards to modern slavery laws. They are responsible to check their supply chain.

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DrRob wrote:
The oil and gas industry is highly regulated and doesn’t employ slave or child labour in the fuel chain. Unlike battery production as highlighted by Sky News. The environmental destruction is also disgusting.


Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

LOL Yeah right, you fell for it hook line and sinker...

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Bl4ckD0g wrote:
PaulTyrer wrote:
Heres a good reason for keeping petrol & diesel cars. And I know cobalt is used in mobile phones but a car battery requires approx 1000 times more than a mobile phone battery.



Not it is not.

Besides the points already raised regarding the use in the petrochemical industries which totally nullifies your point anyway, it is a good reason to put sanctions on such countries that allow this, and companies who don't follow up on their obligations with regards to modern slavery laws. They are responsible to check their supply chain.


Tosh !

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Well... not entirely sure about that...

Looks like >50% of the global usage of Cobalt is indeed in Lithium Ion batteries.

https://www.globalenergymetals.com/cobalt/cobalt-demand/
https://www.cobaltinstitute.org/assets/fil...out-Co.pdf

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Interesting topic. As I'm now spending at least twice as much on road tax a month than I am on diesel, I've started looking for an EV replacement. They ain't cheap are they.

My favourite is the IPace, but need to start saving pennies to afford one, or even worse gain employment..

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