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pcourtney



Member Since: 14 Jan 2020
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England 2011 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Sumatra Black

I wonder how close the L322 "oil drain mod" is to the more recent L405 - as cannot find the L332 one anywhere ?

Post #643075 15th Sep 2022 9:31pm
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garyRR



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I'd imagine the mount and bend is slightly different, as the diff, driveshaft and chassis locations are different?

The technical bulletin marks the part number as LR022781, which looks like it was superceded by LR032130 (a search of this number came up with many available). 2015 Range Rover Autobiography 4.4 SDV8

Post #643088 16th Sep 2022 1:45am
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GraemeS



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Australia 2012 Range Rover Autobiography TDV8 Bournville

LR032130 is listed for L322, L494 & L405. The drain doesn't go anywhere near the diff, driveshafts or the sub-frame.

Post #643090 16th Sep 2022 6:41am
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jaguar3



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I also had done drain mode about year ago. In the beginning all looks nice, no smoke at all (at least seems so). But ater half year (10000km) of driving the smoke coming slightly back again. Not so much as before, but still.
Seems there is nothing to do anymore, only way to fix it compleatly is replace turbocharger. I already thinking about it, but change my mind after thinking a littlebit. Its not critical in my opinion.
My theory is:
All used turbodiesel engines consume small amount of oil due turbos are not 100% hermetic anymore. A microscopic amount of oil past every second from turbo to intake. Due its burn immidietly, there is no visible smoke from exhaust and no signs that something is wrong. The owners are happy and they even dont think about some oil burning in cylinders, until they dont need to add it during service interval.
In our engines oil not burn immidietly, its accumulates hours by hours in turbocharger snail and when the turbo starts finally spinning, oil fog past into the intake at once and cause the visible smoke. So why do we worry? Its normal. Burned oil amount is the same as other makes have. Its just the illusion of the problem due visible smoke.
Until there is no significant oil level drop (under 250g in 10000km in mine case), both turbos are compleatly dry outside, no oil in intercooler (I opened both intake pipes, 2-3 drops only), where we see the problem? Its just 4,4TDV8 special feature, caused by long time non-spinning turbo.

Post #645733 15th Oct 2022 8:10pm
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pcourtney



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I have regularly been paddling down the box to get the engine revving above 3000 rpm in the last few weeks, and have no smoke, it is obvious to me that the second turbo needs to be used now and again to prevent the oil build up

Happy at the moment to leave things well alone Smile

Post #650453 11th Dec 2022 2:20pm
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supershuttle



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I'm of the same mind, it's easy to get above 3000rpm using the paddles on the motorway but try as I might I can't see any smoke in my mirrors. So I guess I should leave well alone, there is another possibility that it has already been done by the previous owner. Anyway when I see smoke I'll have a look Very Happy Geoff

Post #650456 11th Dec 2022 2:43pm
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landy95



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garyRR wrote:
I'd imagine the mount and bend is slightly different, as the diff, driveshaft and chassis locations are different?

The technical bulletin marks the part number as LR022781, which looks like it was superceded by LR032130 (a search of this number came up with many available).


I have just looked on ebay for LR032130 and to me this looks like the originally fitted drain pipe and not the upgrade. Correct me if I am wrong. Also own a 1976 Land Rover 101 3.5 V8.
Previously owned 1991 Range Rover Vogue 3.9 V8.

Post #650580 12th Dec 2022 5:36pm
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julien381



Member Since: 16 Jun 2022
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2012 Range Rover Vogue TDV8 Fuji White

Hi everyone, I just wanted to share my very extensive experiences with this engine. When I bought this car it comsumed about 1 liter for 500km. We took the engine out and did full turbo cartridge replacement and oil drain mod. After test drive the consumption has decreased to 250gr per 3000km or something. And I decided to took another shot and bought 2 new brand turbo about 5500€. We have installed the turbos with no luck, still there is some oil inside the intercooler and shut-off valve hoses.

The problem is not related with the turbo or oil drain mod, it is related with Vacuum-oil drain pump LR022758.

And its important that brand new of this pump will not solve your problem because of design failure. Totally I have spent 10000€ including repair fees and still got nothing except some clever guy from russia found a way to work this vacuum pump more efficently and opened a telegram channel for how to "repair" this pump. If this channel reaches to enough quantity then he will share his detailed knowlodge.

https://t.me/+dirRX0lcxFxiOTFi this is the registration link for his channel and the price will be 5000 rubles.

Considering all the time and money that I spent with this engine, his fee is nothing and way more practical.

this is the video of the explanation why replacing turbos and oil drain mod will not solve the problem.



any questions feel free to ask,

regards.

Post #650699 14th Dec 2022 7:18am
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AJGalaxy2012



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The oild drain mod worked 100% for me, no more oil smoke, no oil consumption absolutely 100% solution.

I also feel that no matter what the Russian guy has to offer with their current standing in world events, I wouldn't pay him a penny for anything. BMW i3 Electric Car
2012 Full Fat RR 4.4 TDV8 (now gone)
2006 VW Touareg 3.0 TDi V6

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DrRob



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Post #650716 14th Dec 2022 12:39pm
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julien381



Member Since: 16 Jun 2022
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AJGalaxy2012 wrote:
The oild drain mod worked 100% for me, no more oil smoke, no oil consumption absolutely 100% solution.

I also feel that no matter what the Russian guy has to offer with their current standing in world events, I wouldn't pay him a penny for anything.


The key word is worked for you not everyone, I was dealt with at least 15 L405 and L322 with same problem. Your one car could be okay with this mod it doesnt mean every car will be okay.

By the way I just wanted to show you different view of angle. Nobody asked your political view so keep it to yourself okay.

If anybody helps with this issue I would not care if he is from Mars, Jupiter or Russia. 2012 4.4 TDV8 Range Rover Vogue

Post #650808 15th Dec 2022 6:23am
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AJGalaxy2012



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I never suggested that it would work for every car, I havent heard of anyone having the mod done where it hasnt worked though.

I feel your interpretation of my comment as a political view is a huge understatement. The majority of the world are against what Russia and some of it's people are doing in Ukraine, war crimes, murder and other atrocities. Most countries have a trade embargo with Russia and here you are promoting trade with a Russian, I would have thought that would be illegal with the current situation. As for your comment stating nobody asked for my views and to keep them to myself, nobody invited you to moderate this forum either, so if you don't like my views you are at liberty to ignore them okay?

It's sad that you dont care about whats going on in Ukraine and with all due respect very selfish.

Stan / Mod team, apologies if this is bordering on being political, I do however feel quite strongly that we should be supporting Ukraine and NOT promoting trade with Russia no matter how small. BMW i3 Electric Car
2012 Full Fat RR 4.4 TDV8 (now gone)
2006 VW Touareg 3.0 TDi V6

Post #650818 15th Dec 2022 12:14pm
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cass



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Has this not got "SCAM" written all over it?
I haven't watched the video but 1st post promoting a cheap solution to a problem that nobody has had?

Post #650821 15th Dec 2022 1:18pm
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julien381



Member Since: 16 Jun 2022
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2012 Range Rover Vogue TDV8 Fuji White

WOOWWW a lot of people having lots of to say without any idea about how this engine works...

If you dont have this problem then what are you doing here?

nobody has to pay any sh.t just get over it..

lots of people with lots of empty time to argue for nothing...

What a waste of my time to write here... 2012 4.4 TDV8 Range Rover Vogue

Post #650825 15th Dec 2022 1:31pm
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GGDR



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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Stornoway Grey

julien381 as a new member you are very welcome here and it seems you are in the trade so we value people like yourself.

On the downside, as a newcomer linking to a Russian solution that none of us have heard of on here one of the most detailed discussions on the web about tis topic, will also result in people being careful and, well a bit skeptical isn't unreasonable.

And people here in the UK at least but probably a lot of the world - don't want to do any business with Russia including the people of Russia. The reasons are obvious.

You've raised some really interesting areas and it would be good to hear / see more.
Wondering why the official JLR fix is the drain? (could be many reasons)

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. Cheers, Greg
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